Choosing Your First Radio
from Chris Levin, KB7YOU on
October 8, 2006
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Choosing Your First
Radio
Ham radio is an exciting hobby
– and there is a lot more to it than just talking on
the radio.
Amateur radio provides a
framework that supports a wide variety of interests.
With amateur radio as a resource and guide you can
experiment with digital communications and
RF/Internet gateways, you can design and build
electronic devices and talk to stations in outer
space.
You can study propagation and
atmospheric conditions or listen to interstellar
signals created by the explosion of stars and much
more.
Of course, communications is an
important part of the amateur radio world. Meeting
new people around town and around the world is
tremendous fun.
Whatever your interests and
goals, amateur radio can provide value to your
endeavors.
The very versatility that makes
ham radio so interesting can also cause problems. As
a new ham or even as an experienced operator trying
out a new aspect of the hobby, the huge amount of
information available can be difficult to sort
through. The Internet can be a valuable tool but
with so many people giving conflicting advice, how
do you know what’s right? That’s where this paper
comes in. My goal is to give the new ham some basic,
general information on radio types, their pros and
cons and the ways that they can be used.
The information in these pages
is based on my first hand experience. I don’t write
about things I have no skill or experience with. By
following these rules I can ensure good accuracy in
the information I present.
I hope that you enjoy reading
this document and that it helps you with your radio
purchase. If you have questions, comments or
corrections I would enjoy hearing from you. You can
visit my web site at
http://radio.rocklizard.org to see more
information or to send me an email.
2.1
Terms you need to know:
- DC to Daylight – Refers to
the new breed of radios that cover the HF
(1.8MHz – 30MHz + 50MHz to 54MHz), VHF (144 MHz
– 148 MHz) and UHF (420 MHz – 450 MHz) amateur
bands. These are all mode radios and are
available in a variety of form factors and
feature sets.
- All Mode – A term used to
describe radios that support CW, SSB, AM, FM and
various digital communication modes. Most modern
HF radios and some VHF/UHF radios are all mode.
- Dual Band – Generally
refers to a radio that covers the 2 meter and 70
centimeter amateur bands.
-
HF - The 160 meter to 6 meter amateur bands.
- VHF –The 2 meter amateur
band.
- UHF – The 70 centimeter
amateur band.
Choosing a first radio is one
of the most important decisions you will make – and
one of the toughest. The right radio for you will
depend on what you want to do now and in the future.
It can be hard sorting through all the advice. To
get you started I have listed each of the common
radio types and some reasons to consider each.
2.2
Mobile 2 Meter and Dual Band Radios
The mobile 2m or dual band
radio is the workhorse of local communications.
These radios are most commonly used for
communications via local repeaters and for short
haul simplex communications. Most of these radios
will also let you do PACKET or APRS communication
with the addition of software and hardware. Some
dual band mobile radios are also suitable for basic
satellite communications. The majority of mobile
radios are FM only and the most common bands they
support are 2m and 70cm.
There are many radios available
in this category. Prices range from under $200 for a
basic 2m mobile up to $500 for models with built in
PACKET modems and APRS software.
Things to consider:
- If you live in an area
with an active ham community chances are good
that there is a lot of activity on the 2m and
70cm FM bands. One of these radios will give you
lots of opportunities to communicate.
- If you have a Technician
license and plan on waiting a while to upgrade
then your HF choices are very limited. A 2m,
70cm or dual band radio is an excellent choice
for day to day communications.
- If you are interested in
PACKET or APRS then you need a 2m FM radio. A
basic mobile rig or one of the more
sophisticated rigs with a built-in PACKET modem
is a must for these modes.
- If you drive a lot or like
to take road trips the mobile dual band radio is
an excellent choice. In remote areas, the
relatively high power output of these radios
(usually 25 to 75 watts) will allow you to make
contacts over distances of 20 to 50 miles.
Advantages:
- High output power – These
radios have power outputs ranging from a low of
20 watts up to 100 watts for some models.
- Flexible – You can use
these mobile radios in your car or your house
(with the addition of a deep cycle battery
and/or power supply). They also work with a wide
variety of antennas allowing you to choose an
antenna that suits your needs.
- Feature rich – The larger
form factor of these radios makes it simple for
manufacturers to add extra features. The larger
size also means that buttons and displays are
larger and easier to use. You can purchase
mobile radios with built in TNC’s (PACKET
modems), cross band repeaters, general purpose
scanners and other features.
Disadvantages:
- Power requirements are
higher than for handhelds. Most mobile radios
are not going to be suitable for QRP or camping
applications because of the large batteries
required.
- Limited modes and bands –
These radios only work on the 2m and 70cm bands
(some also cover 220MHz, 6m and 10m). Most of
these radios only support FM communications.
- External power supplies or
batteries are needed for home use.
2.3
The DC to Daylight Radio
The "do it all" HF/6m/2m/70cm
(and even higher!) radios are relatively new to the
market. Often referred to as "shack in a box" radios
they can be a great way to explore all of the common
modes and bands available to the curious ham.
So why should you consider one
of these radios? There are several reasons. First,
they give you a little bit of everything - HF, 2m
SSB, local repeaters and more. They are also great
space savers if you don't have room for multiple
radios. If and when you decide to add a specialized
radio to your setup or if you decide to buy a better
performing "built to task" rig, your DC to Daylight
radio will make a fine secondary rig. In many cases
you can use it in conjunction with your other radio
(especially if they are from the same manufacturer)
to facilitate things like full duplex satellite
operations. These radios will serve your needs as
your license privileges grow and as your interests
change.
Advantages:
- Ready to go as you upgrade
your license.
- Space saving.
- Many DC to Daylight rigs
have rich feature sets and support things like
satellite communications, packet cluster tuning
and other digital modes and computer control.
- Good features per dollar.
These rigs give you a lot of "bang" for the
buck.
- Available in mobile and
base station sizes and recently in
portable/backpack sizes.
Disadvantages
- Can be complex to operate
with many menus and options.
- Price premium over a
similar quality HF only or VHF only all mode
radio.
- Generally they do not
perform as well as dedicated built to task
radios.
2.4
HF Base Station
The traditional 160 meter to 10
meter HF base station rig provides more features,
more capable components and a larger form factor
than mobile or portable rigs. Most HF base stations
provide 100 watts of output power and many have
built-in antenna tuners. There are a huge number of
new and used rigs available in every price range.
With its larger form factor,
the HF base station generally has a better receiver,
more features, easier to use controls and will
generally perform better than a similarly priced
portable or mobile unit. Some HF base stations give
you all mode capabilities on 6m and 2m in addition
to their HF capabilities. Since there are so many HF
base station radios to choose from you should spend
some time on the ham radio web sites (eHam, ARRL,
QSL.NET) reading reviews and examining features.
2.5
Handheld Radios
Handheld radios are nice, some
are full of bells and whistles and many are less
expensive than mobile or base radios. But I think
you should consider a handheld as a second radio.
Why? Modern handhelds are marvels but they have
limited features, power and antennas. Yes you can
add an amplifier and an external antenna but the
amplifier + handheld will cost you as much as a
mobile rig. Handhelds have limited frequency
coverage and sensitivity. You are not going to get
the most out of radio with just a handheld. If you
absolutely must have one (I did!) then start with
something simple while you save for one of the rigs
described above. The ICOM Q7A is an excellent
choice. Its $99, uses 2 AA batteries, puts out 300mW
and does 2m and 70cm as well as having an excellent
general coverage VHF/UHF scanner built in.
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The KB7YOU Station Setup
I like to explore all aspects
of amateur radio. I don't have a favorite mode and I
like to try out lots of different things from CW to
meteor scatter to digital modes to portable
operations while camping. Here is the equipment that
I have collected over the last 2 years. It might
give you an idea of what a typical but modest
station looks like.
- Antennas - I have
several permanent antennas and I'm always
experimenting with them and building new ones.
Since I like to check out all the bands and
because I do a lot of portable operation my
antennas are pretty simple. Here is what I have:
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Inverted L - Up 35 feet and 220 feet
long. This antenna is connected to my radios via an
AH-4 antenna tuner, the internal tuner in my rig or
a QPAK antenna tuner. The antenna runs east/west
and, with my tuner, gives me all or partial coverage
of all bands from 80 meters to 6 meters. I
experimented with this antenna for several months,
adding station grounds, radials and adjusting its
length and height to get it working well. I made the
antenna from a scrap length of CAT-5 networking
cable.
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40 meter dipole - I had an old G5RV
floating around and I strung it up about 25 feet
between a few trees in my yard. I connect this
antenna to my AH-4 tuner or directly to the internal
tuner in my radio. It works well on 40 meters
through 6 meters. Since it runs north/south it
complements my "L".
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Force 12 40 meter vertical dipole -
This is a really neat antenna. It is car portable
(breaks down into 4 foot sections) and can be setup
in about 30 minutes. It comes with great
instructions, a series of matching coils and all the
hardware you need to get it up and running. I've
learned a lot about dipoles and antenna matching
methods playing with my Force 12. I plan on setting
it up permanently at my home so I can use it more
frequently. It performs very well and if you set it
up for 40 meters and leave off the matching coils an
antenna tuner makes it useable on 80 meters through
6 meters.
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Backpack portable vertical whips -
Last summer I spent some time designing, building
and experimenting with vertical antennas. I now have
a collection of verticals that I can strap to a pack
or setup in 5 minutes or less. I use these for QRP
and occasionally set one up at my house. If you are
interested in experimenting with and building your
own antennas this is a great place to start. Some
hardware, wire, PVC tubing and a selection of whips
and ham sticks are all you need. I built 5 antennas
for less than $50.00.
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2m/70cm collinear antenna - A basic
omni directional base antenna for 2m & 70cm FM
contacts. I've also had good luck using this antenna
for 2m and 70cm SSB contacts even though most SSB
folks use horizontally polarized antennas.
- My handheld: Icom
W32A dual band radio. Nice radio. You can
receive on 2m & 70cm at the same time or receive
2 2m or 2 70cm stations at the same time. Not as
small as a lot of handhelds but a good size AND
you can use a $20 battery pack that takes 6
NiCad's. Much cheaper than the $80 to $100
battery packs most radios need. This radio costs
about $250.00.
- My first "real" radio:
Icom IC706mkIIg. This is a really great rig. I
use it as a mobile and as a base. It lets me use
2m and 70cm repeaters during my commute plus it
gives me 2m & 70cm SSB, digital and CW for
DX'ing, satellites and other stuff. It's got HF
coverage from 160m to 6m and you can get the AH4
antenna tuner which is a very handy device. All
around a very solid radio will 100w output on
HF, 50w on 2M and 30w on 70cm. You can get one
new for about $700.00
- My base station HF rig:
My base station radio is a DC to Daylight
Kenwood TSB-2000. This is an all mode radio that
covers HF, 6 meters, 2 meters, 70 centimeters
and 1296 MHz. The B version is a 100% computer
controlled radio. The front panel has a power
switch and nothing else! I've really been
enjoying this radio. The receiver seems
excellent, the transmit audio is great and I
have received many good reports from other hams.
This has become my workhorse rig. With a built
in TNC, satellite capabilities, computer control
and excellent DSP IF filtering, the TS-2000 is
meeting all of my needs. It is a good "bang for
the buck" rig at about $1,300. The TS-2000 (has
the normal front panel displays and buttons)
runs about $1,500 as of November 2004.
- My 2m/70cm FM mobile:
I have a Kenwood TMD700A which I got because it
has a built in TNC and APRS. Plus it's a very
good, computer controlled dual band rig with
some extra features like cross band repeating
and the built in TNC. This is an expensive radio
at $500.00 and probably not a good first choice.
If you are interested in packet or APRS you can
use a program on your PC and any 2m rig (like
the 706 or a handheld) to explore this mode.
My first piece of advice is:
Do not spend too much money on your first radio!
Why? Well, you are also going
to need an antenna, wire, coax, grounding rods,
dummy loads, test meters, books and all kinds of
other things to get on the air at home or in your
car. It's sort of like buying a new car or computer.
You need more than just a radio to get on the air.
Also, since you are new, you don't yet know what
your tastes and preferences are going to be. So, be
careful and go slow.
1. Do lots of research. Talk to
other hams and read reviews. But be careful of
advice. We hams are a passionate lot and can be
blinded by loyalty to a brand or a mode. Figure out
what you like.
2. eHam and ARRL are very good
resources for information. Use them!
3. Don't forget accessories:
Coax, antenna, ground rods, power supply, desk (for
base) or mounting equipment (for mobile) and other
miscellaneous startup equipment. These initial
purchases can use half your budget but are well
worth it. If you skimp here to get a super duper rig
you will probably be disappointed or operate in an
unsafe manner.
4. A couple of reference books
are a good idea: My choices: ARRL Handbook, ARRL
Antenna Handbook, ARRL Operating Guide.
5. Used is OK but get help from
an experienced ham. eBay has lots of deals but lots
of junk as well. A local ham store (if you have one
near you) is a good place to buy your first radio
even if it costs a little more.
6. Join a radio club. Even if
this is not your thing, a membership for a year can
give you access to lots of other hams. And, you
might like it.
I hope all of this helps you to
pick a good first radio. You should check out some
of the ham radio web sites. One site, eHam, has
thousands of equipment reviews (note: These need to
be taken with a grain of salt!). Go to
http://www.eham.net.
If you are not an ARRL member you should consider
joining. Members can access comprehensive and
impartial reviews at the
http://www.arrl.org
website. There is also a technical information
section (TIS) that has all kinds of documents on
antennas, modes, electronics and other stuff that is
good to have. I use these sites weekly.
Have fun and good luck.
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NS6Y_ on October 8, 2006
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There seem to be as many
different radio/user combinations as atoms in
the Universe.......
I could say my faithful VX-170 (simple 2m
handheld, built like a tank) is the way to go,
but there are just as many people happy with one
of the little "jewel like" mini-HTs, or a do-all
HT like the W32A or VX7, it just goes on and on.
A "do all" HF rig can be a good place to start,
I just read some GLOWING reviews of the Kenwood
TS480AT I think is the model number....
In general buying brand new is going to cost
you. Buying slightly used or an older model
they're blowing out the last of, can make a lot
of sense.
With any new product, radios included, there are
always a few bugs to work out, so there's a
certain amount of sense in buying something
that's been on the market a while and the kinks
work out.
And in the end, it's Antenna, Antenna, Antenna!
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LNXAUTHOR on October 8, 2006 |
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- tks for reposting this... i
just wish i had read it before splurging on my
rigs when i first got licensed!
:-)
- actually, i did pretty well, considering...
but i did go overboard on the HTs... fortunately
i somehow ended up with the best (ie., reliable,
efficient) selection of under $1,000 modern
DCD/HF rigs....
- eventually though i'm going to just use only
homebrew or kit-built QRP gear... |
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WR8D on October 8, 2006 |
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| Any older kenwood, icom, or
yaesu that's solid state with general coverage
receive will be great to just start out with.
Forget the older yaesu 101's etc they drift just
way to much. A kenwood 830 with 6146b's and the
230vfo is solid as a rock though, if you feel
you just gotta dip the plates. I would never
part with my 830 setup. It's one of my all time
favorites. Kenwood 430's, 440's, 450's...i could
go on and on. All under or about 500.00 and
still real performers. I have a complete Drake C
line that i restored and never have to reach up
and touch up the dial. Running it through my eq
setup it sounds like anything else in my shack
both new and old. There's honestly tons of
really great older rigs out there to start out
on. Now you got me thinking about the tubes and
i'm gonna have to fire up the twins today after
church. It's the antenna though that is the
trick. 1 good piece of wire, and i'm sure not
talking about a ripoff G5RV, will really make
one of the old babies stand up and be heard.
Depending on where you live just about anyone
can make a dipole themselves that will out
perform any G5RV, and still have money left over
to go to wendys while they're out gathering up
the stuff...hi hi. 73 John WR8D
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WR8D on October 8, 2006 |
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| I have one of those Dennis,
works great but all of them are a little
expensive. It's nice and "weird" to get a
download and update it when they come out with
new versions. It's like you got a new rig with
each download. --... ...-- John |
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K0BG on October 8, 2006 |
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This article should be required
reading for any new and/or potential amateur.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com |
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KC2NOD on October 8, 2006
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| My 1st radio was a Yaesu VX-5
handheld, but I wish I had bought a good mobile.
While the VX-5 is a nice radio, it only puts out
5 watts. If you live in a bigger city, thats
fine since you can hit most repeaters. But if
you live out in the boonies it isn't powerful
enough when the closest popular repeater is 15
miles away over a couple of 1500 foot hills. I
have a Yaesu FT-897 now and sometimes I need 25
- 50 watts to get to a repeater. The VX-5 turned
into a police scanner for the XYL. |
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SSB on October 8, 2006 |
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The best advice is experience.
New people should take what they hear for what
they paid for the advice. New people, LISTEN TO
NO ONE. Buy a few used radios, play with them,
sell them for what you paid. Done right, anybody
can use dozens of rigs and pay only for
shipping. Unless someone over pays grossly, any
radio on Ebay can be sold for what you paid.
Everybody has advice about whats good or bad,
its subjective and you may loose out on
something really nice that you might like
yourself if you listen to someone else. This
site is full of bad advice.
Alex... |
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W4LGH on October 8, 2006
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This is a GREAT article that
should be read by all the posters in the "Radio
for ARES" thread! Maybe there is enough info
here to set them in the right direction. After
reading that thread...its enough to scare one
away from ever trying the hobby. Not to mention,
they now have all the govt certifications to
offer emergency communications, but have no idea
how to work their radio, which is the MOST
important part of suppling Emergency comm.
73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
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K3AN on October 8, 2006 |
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"Unless someone over pays
grossly, any radio on Ebay can be sold for what
you paid."
Maybe, maybe not. Remember, the fact that you
were the successful bidder means no one else was
willing to pay what you paid.
I would buy a used radio anywhere but Ebay, but
I would make sure to sell it there. |
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K8MHZ on October 8, 2006
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Do you think people that don't
have ham licenses come to eHam for advice on
their first radio?
I don't.
The lack of posting good articles has brought us
many re-runs.
Ever stop to wonder why there are not more good
articles posted by eHam members?
Clue: It's the way the authors were treated.
Many times by members with no calls.
Result: No help from the moderators, no more
submissions. Pretty simple logic.
Enjoy the re-runs and the rubbish. |
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KF6HCD on October 8, 2006
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"I don’t write about things I
have no skill or experience with..."
That's why the article has no mention...
Nifty article... Good read. |
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N5LX on October 8, 2006 |
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K8MHZ
I disagree.
People that write bad articles should not expect
a "pass" simply because they wrote something.
I have seen good articles with good comments
(10%) and bad articles with comments that were
appropriate (90%)
And I don't blame folks for not using their
callsigns. The hate mail and literal death
threats one gets when you disagree with a moron
is enormous. I have seen it when guys have
posted that they have looked up someones address
on QRZ and am going to go over and slash tires,
etc etc...
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KX8N on October 8, 2006 |
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"The hate mail and literal death
threats one gets when you disagree with a moron
is enormous. I have seen it when guys have
posted that they have looked up someones address
on QRZ and am going to go over and slash tires,
etc etc... "
If everyone treated everyone else civilly and
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KB3MKD on October 8, 2006
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Excellent article, even if it is
a rerun
Ought to be required reading for anyone showing
an interest in ham radio. |
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WX1F on October 8, 2006 |
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Hey Gang...how about this?
Ignore the morons!! Don't repond to crass
comments and derogatory opinions. Those bozos
will fade into the woodwork and find another
forum to troll. I can garuantee you, the "No
call sign", mean-spirited dolts just sit there
watching what they started, drinking cheap beer
and bragging to their CB friends.
AND I STILL ASK THE MODERATOR..."Why do you find
the time to delete ads for non ham classifieds
and yet totally ignore the crap in the forums,
that makes EHAM look bad. Are the bozos sharing
their beer with you? Is that why you let this
continue?
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K8MHZ on October 8, 2006
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"And I don't blame folks for not
using their callsigns. The hate mail and literal
death threats one gets when you disagree with a
moron is enormous."
The only threats I have ever got via e-mail were
FROM people that were not using call signs, if
they even had any. Since I use a program called
Mail Washer that fakes my address as
non-deliverable they never know for sure if I
got the threat. I can view the entire post,
paths and ISPs and all, without touching it. I
can even copy the entire post including headers
and then bounce it. Mail Washer is great.
"People that write bad articles should not
expect a "pass" simply because they wrote
something."
Those articles should have never made it to the
boards.
"I have seen it when guys have posted that they
have looked up someones address on QRZ and am
going to go over and slash tires, etc etc..."
Anonymously I am sure. And did the actions ever
come to pass or were they just a pimply faced
cowardly attempt at scaring someone?
If my first post was correct, you will see more
rubbish and re-runs. Time will tell.
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KG4RUL wrote:
"No mention of Software Defined Radios (SDRs)."
There's an article topic for you, Dennis, if you
have the time and are inclined.
73,
Chuck NI0C
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W6TH on October 8, 2006 |
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.
All I can say is that I have enough knowledge of
electronics, receivers and transmitters that I
have no need for advice as to what to buy and
not to buy.
What I have is the best on the market that money
can buy including my antenna system.
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WB4QNG on October 8, 2006
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While I agree with the article
is good I have found if you ask a hundred hams
what the first radio should be you will get
about 90 different answers. First thing you need
to know your location and what activities there
are in the area. If you live in the country an
HT might be a waste a money but around here I
always suggest a new Tech buy him an HT for his
first his radio. I suggest a 5 watt $100 rig.
With an ouside antenna for the house and a
mobile antenna for the car he will be able to
hit a dozen repeaters. If he enjoys ham radio it
won't be long before he buys a mobile for the
car and the house and he will still have the HT
for hamfest and emergencies. If he doesn't do
anything with ham radio he isn't out much and he
will still have the radio for emergencies. As
for as a duel band radio in my QTH it is the
biggest waste of money you could spend. I bought
an old HTX 404 and while I get bring up at least
6 reapeaters no one is every on them. As for as
HF rigs with the price of the Icom IC 718
selling new for about the same price as a used
rig I tell them to buy new. As for as the Ham
shack in a box rigs I see no need to spend the
money on them. Like I said nothing on 440, you
have to make an appointment to talk to anyone on
2 meter SSB and 6 meters well it is 6 meters.
Actually the buys in used rigs are the Heathkits
or the old Swans for around $150 you can be on
HF. I bought an old Swan 240 for around $125
workds great but I have been a ham for 30 years
when tuning a radio was the norm. Don't know how
many new hams could handle it. Just my two cents
worth.
Terry
WB4QNG
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"All I can say is that I have
enough knowledge of electronics, receivers and
transmitters that I have no need for advice as
to what to buy and not to buy."
So, Vito tell us about your first radio-- what
did you use when starting out?
73,
Chuck NI0C
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"While I agree with the article
is good I have found if you ask a hundred hams
what the first radio should be you will get
about 90 different answers."
True. What I did was ask the hams that I knew,
then check the different reviews that I could
find, and finally decide what I could afford. My
first 2M mobile was an Icom 2100H, same kind
that a local ham had, and I loved it. I went
through the same process with my first HF rig,
and ended up getting something that none of my
ham friends had, a Kenwood TS-440. I LOVED that
radio. Later I ended up getting an Icom 706MIIG,
again, a radio that a fellow ham has. I've
enjoyed it alot.
As long as you stay away from JUNK, and check as
many user reviews as you can, you will find you
have alot of good choices. It ends up being a
matter of what you need, and what you can
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"All I can say is that I have
enough knowledge of electronics, receivers and
transmitters that I have no
need for advice as to what to buy and not to
buy."
So share your superior knowledge with us Vito.
What would you suggest for a first
radio-------------What are you running? It might
also be helpful if you told us why you picked
the particular equipment you're using. We're all
willing to learn . 73, Ron |
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Good article that could actualy
help a newbie but I'd like to add a little.
Here in VK land you are given HF privalages as
well as VHF/UHF from the start, so we have a lot
more choices in what we can do. The advise I was
given when I sat the licence test was a Radio
like the FT-857ND not an HT or 817 (like I
wanted as I'm a keen outdoors person) and
although is not the cheapest it really was good
advise. There is enough power on HF to get out
(import at current sun spot activity levels) and
can do all I'm allowed and more with VHF/UHF.
I have been licenced for 2 years, and have
fallen in love with HF. I find it a lot like
fishing and the thought of communicating over
thousands of miles station to station excites me
for some reason. If I had got a dual band mobile
rig I wonder if I would have stayed interested.
If you get a shack in the box as your first
radio I think you will be more likly to discover
what you really like about amateur radio with
just the one radio. If you are not licenced for
HF, listening will probably get you motivated to
upgrade.
Don't get a cheap Valve radio first up - you
have to love them to use them as they require
constant tuning particarly when searching the
bands. However they are a very worthwhile
purchace later on, I use my 101EE (good
transmit) or 520S (beautiful recieve audio) more
for HF than my 857. Incedentaly these 2 radios
purchased together cost little more than a 25amp
power supply - Go figure.
Best advise - Get a Shack in a Box type radio.
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"So, Vito tell us about your
first radio-- what did you use when starting
out?
73,
Chuck NI0C"
Chuck, he already told you, it's the best you
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I guess if you really think
about it, don't we ALL have the "Best that Money
can buy"? What I mean is, we have all bought
what we thought was the best for the money we
could spend, right?
Now I am sure this next comment is gonna get a
lot of flames, but if you really think about it,
you'll see where I am going with it. Ham radio
today, has gotten a lot like CB radio, in the
respect that the manufactures build new radios
every year with more bells and whistles,
flashing lights and displays to entice us into
buying their products. New buzz words like
roofing filters, which is no more than the 1st
IF filter, which EVERY radio that has an IF has.
40 or 50 years ago, Hams built most of their
transmitters, and used commercial receivers,
some even built receiver! So in that respect,
the manufactures have attempted to make all of
us appliance operators, just like CB radio. The
really funny thing about it is I have been in
many shacks where the operators really have no
idea how to fully operate their Top of the Line
radio.
Times have changed, people have changed, and
hams have changed, good, bad or indifferent, it
has all changed and you either go with the flow,
or you do your own thing. Because the masses
have mostly "gone with the flow", those of us
who like to do our own thing are usually the
subject of the flamers.
Buy what you can afford, build what you can, and
learn how to operate it to the best of your
ablity and continue to be the BEST Ham radio
operator out there, and it will continue to be
one of the best hobbies out there.
73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
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Do any of you have advise on
'building your own' either from scratch or are
there any interesting 'kits' these days?
How about suggesting a few good books about
radio and antenna construction instead of free
advertising?
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For an awesome HF tranceiver kit
the Elecraft K2 is about the best there is.
Assembly is straightforward.
Mike
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You need two. An HF radio and a
VHF/UHF all mode radio. The rigs that have all
of the bells and whistles in one can not
effectively monitor what you want to hear. Any
used Icom 756 or 756 Pro will do on HF. VHF/UHF
is anyone's guess.....
But if you only want one radio, the FT-847 with
the upgraded filters is the one I would use.
Worked EU from WY on 6M and enjoy the birds with
it's all mode capabilities. HF is ok- Not great
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Great article. Agreed, it should
be added to the curriculum of the Tech classes
around the country.
+++++++++++++++++++
"I would buy a used radio anywhere but Ebay, but
I would make sure to sell it there. "
I am no longer certain that I would buy anything
from Ebay. There is essentially no protection
for the buyer in the transaction (at least the
times I have been involved with.)
I would certainly not buy a radio on Ebay.
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.
I choose a radio that has the best selectivity
and sensitivity regardless of the cost; that is
the one that fits my pocket book.
When I started out in ham radio which was in the
1930's, my ham gear was all home brew.
My best for receiving was the SP-600-JX and the
Racal RA 17C. The transmitter was the
Hallicrafters BC 610.
.......I also had the Collins KWM-2.......
Today my preference will be the receivers that
again have the best selectivity and sensitivity
for the money and I am not considering the
radios with all those bells and whistles; there
is no need for my use of such.
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Forgot to mention;
I have at present two Icom 718 radios and the
Icom 756 Pro III. This is all I have at present
and think I have more than enough.
73
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"So, Vito tell us about your
first radio-- what did you use when starting
out?
73,
Chuck NI0C"
"Chuck, he already told you, it's the best you
can buy. A superham needs a superradio".
" It's a bird, no, it's a plane, no...IT'S
SUPERHAM".
Sorry, couldn't resist. :o)
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N8QBY on October 9, 2006
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"So, Vito tell us about your
first radio-- what did you use when starting
out?
73,
Chuck NI0C"
"Chuck, he already told you, it's the best you
can buy. A superham needs a superradio".
" It's a bird, no, it's a plane, no...IT'S
SUPERHAM".
Sorry, couldn't resist. :o)
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N8QBY. Patrick,
Are you still on the government welfare roll?
When are you going to quit and get yourself a
real job and take the load off the tax payers
government spending?
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Well, my question to Vito was
sincere, not sarcastic, and he's answered it
quite nicely.
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From W6TH: N8QBY. Patrick,
" Are you still on the government welfare roll?
When are you going to quit and get yourself a
real job and take the load off the tax payers
government spending."
Vito, the sensitive one...are you still living
in your dream world?? Yes, I am still protecting
the likes of yourself by keeping the bad guys
locked up. See, I don't run from taxes, and have
a real job, (18 yr. Corrections Officer). Did
you ever have a job Vito? Oh sure, we all know
the bullsh** that you put on here but really?
I see you are still overly sensitive. That comes
from having an inferiority complex, due to
having to brag about yourself to get attention.
If you can read, you should check it out.
Sorry folks, I apologize for this. There will be
no more bantering with the old fella, he is back
in his place.
73 to all. Pat N8QBY
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NI0C wrote: Well, my question to
Vito was sincere, not sarcastic, and he's
answered it quite nicely.
Chuck, I realize that your question was sincere.
My original comment was in reply to one that
someone made of your comment. I was just adding
to the humor. That is when Vito went into attack
mode, and thus my last comment. 73 Pat N8QBY
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"Sorry folks, I apologize for
this. There will be no more bantering with the
old fella, he is back in his place."
On Krypton?
Hey, the old dude accused me of selling licenses
at VE sessions, and he's never met me face to
face. He likes to run his mouth to feel
superior.
He'll have you as a hobo on a train to New
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I find it fascinating to hear
from a ham who was working with home brew
equipment before I was born. W6TH said he owns
not one, but two, IC-718's. That's quite an
endorsement for a radio, I think. I also know a
relatively new ham who really enjoys this radio.
73,
Chuck NI0C
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KX8N on October 9, 2006 |
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"I find it fascinating to hear
from a ham who was working with home brew
equipment before I was born."
I backed him fully in an article he wrote where
alot of other hams were coming down hard on him.
I took his side, and he repaid me by making
false (and potentially damaging) remarks about
me just because he didn't agree with something I
said. He had alot of respect from me until he
turned around and attacked my character for no
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These days I have some pretty
nice rigs...but I sure had a load of fun as a
rock-bound novice in the '70s with my DX 60 and
HQ170!!! When in a QSO, and the other guy said
"Rig hr is.." You could almost put money on the
next letter being an 'H' for heathkit something
or other. I am slowly forgetting those days, but
I remember there being almost one 2NT for every
10 hot waters, DX something or HW16 you would
work!!
I'd hear a CQ, and get his call on paper with
one hand and fiddle through my pile of crystals
with the other. Pop one in and answer the
CQ....hmmmm.. I am 7 Kcs away...I wonder how
good a tuner he is? Will he hunt around for me??
We'll find out!! Cool beans!! |
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After finally having some room
to put up an HF antenna, I starting looking for
a cheap "starter" HF rig. I was able to try out
about 5 different radios via eBay and I didn't
lose a penny (except shipping costs). I ended up
finding what works very well for me (in case you
are interested, that turned out to be an
IC-718.. I love it). I also discovered that
little things that other people could live with
made me absolutely not want to touch certain
radios.. so expect to experiment.
As for someone looking for their VERY VERY first
radio.. assuming you aren't in the boonies, I
still recommend a functional Radio Shack HTX-202
or Icom 02AT 2 meter HT. These radios can be had
for around 50 dollars in good shape, and are
very rugged. Get on 2 meters and start looking
for "elmers" with experience in the area of the
hobby you are interested in.. and who may be
able to lend you a radio or help you find a good
deal. If you like two meters and wish to
continue using it, you can always sell the
HTX-202 or 02AT to help fund a different radio,
and this way you won't be out a fortune in the
meantime. Personally, my "perfect" HT turned out
to be an Icom Z1A because of the full duplex
available which is nice for satellite work. It's
very similar to the W32A mentioned in the
article but it has a detachable faceplate. I
bought it new, and it wasn't cheap, but since I
got exactly the features I wanted it hasn't left
my side in 12 years.. so I got my money's worth.
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no matter what you read
WE HAVE NO BASE STATIONS
taxi cab co. have base stations
police departments have base stations
cb ops buy base stations
we have not base stations
the proper term is fixed station
amateur radio service
has mobile stations
portable stations
and fixed stations
Mac
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by NI0C,
I find it fascinating to hear from a ham who was
working with home brew equipment before I was
born. W6TH said he owns not one, but two,
IC-718's. That's quite an endorsement for a
radio, I think. I also know a relatively new ham
who really enjoys this radio.
73,
Chuck NI0C
...................................................
Chuck, I run these two Icom 718 radios using one
with a vertical and the other with a horizontal
antenna, I then combine the audio into one
speaker. This type of radio is great for new to
ham radio and at a good price. A cw operator
will need the cw filter of 250 Hz as the front
end are very broad. A terrific buy for a low
price.
73, W6TH.
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I concur 100% with Mac W8ZNX,
Amateur Radio has Fixed, Mobile and Potable
stations.
We do not have Base stations or dare I say it
Homebases!
Read your Licence notes guys, because if you use
these terms on the air, you sure will sound like
a Lid.
If you don't know what a Lid is then ask an
elmer.
Hope that clarifies the point,
73 to all, John G8KHS |
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Actually, John, some of us do
have potable stations, even in the same room as
our radio gear, hi! Seems like I read elsewhere
that the degree of selectivity is inversely
proportional to exactly how much potability!
There is nothing wrong with this thread. Do your
research, newbies, and ask questions. I would
not hesitate to recommend to anyone any of the
older Ten Tec's, such as the Omni D or even a
Triton IV. When in doubt, listen, listen,
listen! G'day to all...Richard, n5xm |
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Actually, John, some of us do
have potable stations, even in the same room as
our radio gear, hi!
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- Potable QRP gear for the wilderness radio
enthusiast.
"Equipment for Disaster Relief, Hurricane and
Earthquake preparedness."
http://www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm
73 |
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KX8N on October 9, 2006.
"Sorry folks, I apologize for this. There will
be no more bantering with the old fella, he is
back in his place."
On Krypton?
Hey, the old dude accused me of selling licenses
at VE sessions, and he's never met me face to
face. He likes to run his mouth to feel
superior.
He'll have you as a hobo on a train to New
Orleans next.
..................................................
I quote kx8n,"Hey, the old dude accused me of
selling licenses at VE sessions".
This is untrue and is a lie, a lying statement
as I have never said such a statement.
This is a VE, oh my, his jealousy has turned to
hatred.
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Nice article but it's heavily
slanted toward NCTs; there's only a brief
paragraph concerning HF radios. Also the article
doesn't even mention some of the more important
features/capabilities that should be considered
(particularly HF), i.e. selectivity,
sensitivity, filtering, CW waveform, etc.
It's a nice start but the newbie should do more
homework. The ARRL beginners books go into more
detail and to me should definitely be referenced
prior to purchasing a first radio.
Phil |
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"Nice article but it's heavily
slanted toward NCTs"
But most new hams are NCT's, so I think that's
fine. The first HF rig after the upgrade is
going to be whatever you can afford, and for a
lot of new hams, that's going to mean
compromising on filters and specifications.
I think whatever radio gets you on HF will get
you hooked on HF, even if it's not a great
radio.
That's not to say the ARRL beginner books are
not to be recommended.
73,
Dan |
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If you are a new Technician and
have aspirations toward
moving up, I suggest that you consider buying a
radio that will allow you to participate on 2M
and/or 70CM
SSB and CW.
We have had some success in our area with people
learning CW by practicing on the 2M and 70CM
bands with local elmers.
So, something like a 706Mk2G as a first radio is
not an outrageous idea.
Chris
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We have had some success in our
area with people learning CW by practicing on
the 2M and 70CM bands with local elmers.
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Many simply don't have this opportunity. Your'e
luck if anyone is on a repeater let alone a
person who is using CW. It's an unfortunate
reality but I am forced to practice CW using the
internet instead of using radio equipment.
This is because current day Tech's have no HF
operating privleges that permit them to engage
in live on air practice with others. Some will
disagree and say this isn't true, but it's
really the common reality on VHF these days.
My suggestion is to use the internet to practice
learning CW. Now I know this is not supposed to
be following the original intended spirit of ham
radio tradition, but what I can tell you is that
it works to get the job done.
You can send CW to other users live via the
internet using a program called CW Communicator.
http://morsecodeonweb.homestead.com/CWCOMMUNICATOR.html
See you there sometime.
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Good Ole Vito said:
"I quote kx8n,"Hey, the old dude accused me of
selling licenses at VE sessions".
This is untrue and is a lie, a lying statement
as I have never said such a statement.
This is a VE, oh my, his jealousy has turned to
hatred."
-------------------------------------
On July 10th, in this article:
http://www.eham.net/articles/14293
You said to me:
>We didn't have VE's who could pass a friend not
>knowing the 5 wpm code or the simple theory of
today. >How many friends have you passed
illegally?
Then you said:
>Wow, you certainly love yourself, do you go to
the >movies and hold your own hand and slap your
face when >you get fresh with yourself?
>Pour it on David as I have plenty more for you.
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kx8n.
You're one enemy I don't need.
It was a question; "how many of your friends did
you pass with no code or theory tests taken"?
(you never gave me an answer).
I was told when a person lies, he is a devil, so
your frienship will never survive with me or
otherwise.
I'll reverse it and now say you are the big
mouthed sad sack of s**t.
I would rather have you as a enemy, at least I
know what you are made of and can be prepared.
Again, your jealousy shows, because I am a
better ham than you will ever be, with a non
vanity call letter and you are so jealous it
turns your jealousy into hatred.
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"I'll reverse it and now say you
are the big mouthed sad sack of s**t."
If this is not a personal attack, can someone
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k8mhz
Read Davids remarks, kx8n he made of me before
you get started Mark. Don't become another him.
I am going to sing for you Davids Theme Song.
He, David kx8n loves this.
I think I'm great, I think I'm grand.
I go to the movie and hold my hand.
I put my arm around my waste,
and when I get fresh I slap my face.
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Before I move on from your
fantasy world, let me clear something up:
"It was a question; "how many of your friends
did you pass with no code or theory tests
taken"? (you never gave me an answer). "
Here's your answer: I have participated in
almost 30 VE session since becoming an Extra. I
have never once given credit to anybody who did
not earn it outright. Every single CSCE goes out
with THREE VE signatures on them. Never once has
anybody at any VE session I've attended either
paid for or been given free credit for ANYTHING.
Absolutely never.
I thought this was too bizarre to even answer
the first time, but since you ask it again, I
give you your answer.
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"Read Davids remarks, kx8n he
made of me before you get started Mark. Don't
become another him."
I did.
Your response was deplorable and it crossed the
line. If the moderators let it slide they
deserve every accusation they get about running
a garbage site.
And getting worse by the day.
"Don't become another him."
Who died and left you in charge? I will do as I
please. I wouldn't even consider taking orders
from you or the likes of you. |
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| You better watch it Mark, Vito
will tell you that you are on welfare, no matter
what kind of a job you have. Didn't you know
that he is a legend in his own mind? :o) |
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K8MHZ on October 11, 2006
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"You better watch it Mark, Vito
will tell you that you are on welfare, no matter
what kind of a job you have. Didn't you know
that he is a legend in his own mind? :o)"
If you are talking about Social Security, one of
our nation's several forms of welfare, I'm not
that old yet.
But Vito is!! |
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KC8VWM on October 11, 2006
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Actually, this welfare thing
sounds pretty good.
What's with this idea of getting up everyday,
getting taxed to death, paying high fuel prices
just so you get the privledge of operating your
car, just so you can go to work, so you can just
pay more taxes for supporting more illegal
immagrants, free healthcare for other people
while working class have none or while you pay
for your own heathcare from your own out of
pocket expenses.
Heck, the government should give working class
citizens free gas and free heathcare. After all,
the time you spend working is ultimately for the
purpose of increasing the governments tax gains
and benefit right? Don't they wan't you to get
to work and be healthy everyday so it increases
thier tax revenues?
What do you or I really get out of working in
return? More taxes, more illegals, more money
from my pocket going to the latest fashionable
big shaft for being a taxpayer? Again?
So, where's the incentive in working for a
living exactly? ...Am I missing something here?
Ok, I want to know who came up with this
national social model called working for a
living because it's not working in favor of
those that are participating for some apparent
reason.
Welfare is looking better for working taxpayers
every single day. Heck mabey the ARRL has
special rates for welfare recipients. Perhaps we
can get 10% off all gas prices for Welfare
recipients. Free housing!! Free Groceries!! Free
Ham Radio Equipment!!
What are you waiting for??!!
73 /rant off
Thank you for putting up with me. :)
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W6TH on October 11, 2006
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K8MHZ on October 11, 2006.
"You better watch it Mark, Vito will tell you
that you are on welfare, no matter what kind of
a job you have. Didn't you know that he is a
legend in his own mind? :o)"
If you are talking about Social Security, one of
our nation's several forms of welfare, I'm not
that old yet.
But Vito is!!
...................................................
Sorry to bust your bubble Mark, but Social
Security is my own money that I paid in, I
earned and am now collecting it back.
I thought you and I knew everything, but now I
have my doubts about you.
As far as my work, I will be happy to talk about
my job in the military as a veteran of foreign
wars with two battle stars keeping the bad boys
out of our country.
.......Compare my government job compared to
yours as a security guard Patrick.......
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N8QBY on October 12, 2006
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| Vito, ok, let's question my job
as to yours. Your's is and was all in your head.
As for your military, there is nobody around to
ask, so most take your word. I believe
otherwise. As for a securtiy guard, not sure
what that job entails but as for my job, you
couldn't have done my job at any time in your
life. We don't let cowards into Corrections.
Nuff said. Back in your hole and hide. |
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N8QBY on October 12, 2006
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I did say that I wasn't going to
exchange banter with the old fart but he stuck
his ugly mug out of his hole again, and I just
pushed him back. Taking shots at just about
anyone now hey Vito? I have to wonder if you
have any friends, other than all of your egos.
73 to all. :o)
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N8QBY on October 12, 2006
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My apologies to the original
poster. Much time went into your post and is
appreciated.
73
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K8MHZ on October 12, 2006
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"Social Security is my own money
that I paid in, I earned and am now collecting
it back."
Not exactly.
Your money was gone quite some time ago. You are
now living on current contributors money (like
me and Patrick.)
Some people collect Social Security benefits
that have never paid into the system.
You were taxed. Your taxes were put into a
general fund. If you die before you collect more
than you put in, you cannot will the remaining
amount to anyone. If you live longer than it
takes to get more out than you paid in, you will
still get it.
Your ability to collect depends solely on your
welfare, not the amount you falsely consider
'your money'....as it should be.
Enjoy it. You are definitely entitled to it.
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WB4QNG on October 12, 2006
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I have been reading all of this
BS and no idea what any of it has to do with
choosing your first radio. Frankly if you want
to have priviate discussions about who works and
who doesn't, who is a superham and who isn't,
who knows code and who doesn't and while I am
not sure if this has been brought up or not but
I am sure it will be the sexual preference of a
person I think it should be taken else where. I
will say this though social security is not
welfare. I have been working for over 40 years
and I hope there is something left when I
retire. I paid into the system so I would have
some security when I retire or if I become
disable. Just like I pay into my 401 plan and
pay for my health insurance. I know our great
leaders in Washington spent the dollars I put in
it on such things things as silly wars and
computers so they could write young boys love
letters. I am still insulted when you call
Social Security welfare. It is a right that we
earned by paying into it. I think when people in
the private sector blow the money in their
employees retirement fund they call to jail. Now
why don't we get back to the topic.
Terry
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K8MHZ on October 12, 2006
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"I am still insulted when you
call Social Security welfare."
Nothing derogatory is meant by calling Social
Security a form of welfare. You and Vito are
both entitled to it, most certainly.
I think you took it the wrong way. Vito has
something against welfare, not me. I do not
dismiss that fact that some, in fact many,
people abuse welfare benefits of all types, but
the same welfare benefits for those not required
to work are needed in a benevolent society. It
is an equalization of resources and for the most
part works rather well. Personally, I would like
to see the amount retirees receive from Social
Security increase as what most people get now is
rather a pittance. But what we pay into Social
Security by being taxed is not our money
anymore. It belongs to the Federal Government
and it will disperse it back into the population
in it's own prescribed manner. Outside of a
change in legislation, we have no say in how it
is done. It's not a bad thing, really!
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NJ6F on October 16, 2006
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My suggestion is to just get a
DC to light radio..
You will notice the FT100-D is one of the best
and smallest out there with a outstanding
receiver, noise blanker, DSP and mike equalizer
in the smallest box.
It is the favorite of the Yaesu repair people
and goes up to 980Mhz does all modes. Next best
might be a FT857 but limits you to 500Mhz top
end.
People have a tendoncy to talk down about a rig
that is small because they think a lot of knobs
makes the rig. Hey 2.4 Khz is fine by me, I will
use AM if I want 6Khz BW. So the big knobby
expensive rigs only offer a bunch of expensive
filtering basically.
Menu driven is a great advancement from those
dusty knobs that you can not quanify... AM voice
set to 17... on a standard monster radio you
will never know.
The FT100-D should be your main radio not some
backup radio like some will have you believe.
Forget ICOM by the way...
Look at the tunable small loops or larger loops
if your tight for space. G5RV is fine. I use a
130 foot version on all bands including 60
meters. Get a VX7 to cover 6, 2, 220 and 440 in
one handheld. Then you will be set.
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KA4KOE on October 17, 2006
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"Potable QRP gear for the
wilderness radio enthusiast."
Does this mean one gets a cool beer after the
contest is over?
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NI0C on October 18, 2006
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Phil,
Some beer is more "potable" than others. (My
current favorite is Schlafly's Coffee Stout.)
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